Pentagon’s F-35 stealth jet can’t win dogfight – report


A mock air battle between an F-16 jet and the military’s new and oft-troubled F-35 stealth jet showed that the F-35 is too sluggish to hit an enemy plane or dodge gunfire, according to a report.

The F-35 has cost the US military more than a trillion dollars since work on it began, making it the most expensive weapon in history.

The mock air battle, staged in January over the Pacific Ocean, was to test the F-35’s prowess as a close-range dogfighter at 10,000 to 30,000 feet. The F-35 pilot was to fly his jet hard, turning and maneuvering to “shoot down” the older F-16 jet, whose pilot would be doing his best to evade being hit, and trying to attack the F-35.

The test pilot’s five-page brief said that despite the F-16 being weighed down by two drop tanks, and with the F-35 jet carrying no weapons, the F-35 “remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement.”

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The F-35 was designed to far exceed the fourth generation F-16 jets, first built in the 1970s, with the ability to carry its fuel and weapons internally. Yet aerodynamic problems, such as “insufficient pitch rate” for the jet’s nose while climbing, were reported during the mock battle.

The F-35 test pilot also discovered he couldn’t comfortably move his head inside the jet’s cramped cockpit.

“The helmet was too large for the space inside the canopy to adequately see behind the aircraft,” said the report.

That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him.

The F-35 pilot tried to target the F-16 with the stealth jet’s 25-millimeter cannon, which the smaller F-16 easily dodged. The pilot said the F-35 performed so dismally that it had no place fighting other aircraft within visual range.

In one maneuver, the F-35 was able to perform decently at rudder reversal at slow speeds, but this used a lot of the aircraft’s energy, leaving the aircraft vulnerable to attack.

The brief release to the War is Boring website was unclassified but still marked “for official use only.” It documented a mock battle taking place on January 14, 2015 over a sea test range in the Pacific Ocean near Edwards Air Force Base, California.

There have been reports of fundamental problems with the F-35, which was designed by Lockheed Martin, as well as complaints about the ballooning cost of the project.

In April, Congress learned the software system for maintaining the fighter jet was giving false-positive readings 80 percent of the time, possibly leading to even more development delays.

The F-35’s Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), a next-generation software system including 5 million lines of code, is supposed to identify any problems with the jet, and provide information on necessary replacement parts. It has been called the F-35’s “brains.”

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Turner told Congress that ALIS doesn’t have a spell checker and raised concerns about the software’s ability to catch errors worse than grammatical ones. The current ALIS system is held in place by computer racks and weighs 800-1,000 pounds, making it cumbersome in combat environments. A smaller, two-man portable version is being developed which is due to be ready in July.

Last year, the Government Accountability Office found the ALIS had failed to meet basic requirements like identifying faults and failures.

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Earlier news reports stated that a computer glitch had kept the aircraft’s four-barrel rotary cannon from firing, potentially delaying the jet from being fully operational until 2019.

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9 Responses to "Pentagon’s F-35 stealth jet can’t win dogfight – report"

  1. DGSE  July 13, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    Considering past aerial weapon system platforms, dating back to the 70’s, I have no doubt the ‘City of Londons’ Military arm, the USofA, will continue to throw bad money after bad, especially when the other suckers, oops “Patners in Defence”, really start pulling out their share of the fleecing. Even ‘commie’ gun loving Canukistan is slowing pulling the purse strings closed. Never mind the “austerity” broke Europa.
    So the broke US will continue to fleece its public and get this POS ‘dog’ up in the air where it will blown out of the sky by a low cost 3rd-4th Generation jetfighter.
    If it meets an Su-27 Mi-29/35 its game over.
    Hell the A/C might kill its own pilot before one even gets to engage.

  2. captain obvious  July 6, 2015 at 7:07 am

    they should be bankrupt over things like this but they’re propped up by the biggest criminal enterprise on the planet, at our expense. a WW2 Japanese Zero could probably fly circles around this crate too.

  3. JohninMK  July 1, 2015 at 7:02 am

    Its not all totally bad. This was one of the earliest F-35s running without its stealth coating and with old software so is probably not representative of the latest versions coming off the production lines. As a multi purpose aircraft it will almost certainly not do as well as those purpose built for one function. But then the F-35 now is not really what was envisaged when the order was placed and the horrific cost is going to cause serious budget problems around the world.

    There is an interesting article on it at Theaviationist today.

    • DGSE  July 13, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      As an old Blue Suiter, and someone who has followed the ‘wet dream’ from Lockheed-Martin since its onset, there was NO mistaking this is one of the West’s biggest ‘dog and pony shows’, and for ANYBODY who TRULY pays attention to aerial weapons platforms, KNEW this was going to be a huge boondoggle, especially since there would be no “Fly Off Stage”.

      I am sure as an Lockheed (‘Skunkworks’ SR-71 and C-130) later LM Project Manager, Mr Kelly Johnson must now rolling over in his grave at the F-35 ‘dog’
      This is one hell of a Corporate Welfare system. The insanity continues…

    • DGSE  July 13, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Sounds a little like your suffering some MK-Ultra. Or you work as a Congressional Staffer. The excuses offered for this trillion dollar ‘piece of sheet’ are truly Orwellian.

  4. Foci  June 30, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    Your tax dollars at work. Keep voting. Vote Early. Vote often.

    ….actually, mebbe don’t vote , your consent will just encourage them.

  5. DGSE  June 30, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    This POS again. While I doubt this ‘dog’ (apologies to canines everywhere) will ever see a combat environment, I am sure by 2019, hell even 2029, LockheedMartin’s trillion dollar+ welfare program will be ‘flying high’.
    At least Boeing produces some ‘trinkets’ that work (sometimes) for their Govt Welfare Program
    The insanity continues

  6. mylomorph  June 30, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    reminds me of m/s windows.
    did you try turning it off and on again.

  7. LC  June 30, 2015 at 9:02 am

    F-35 OUT-DUCKS all competition though!!!!

    F-35 already achieved objective was to create a new couple-trillion-$$$$ hole in PentaCon & they did it best they could!!!
    That’s all folks. No need to dig deeper into pile of ….!!!
    Remember PentaCon’s $2.3 trillion hole of 9/10/2001 which was surgically removed next day with a Zio-Terrorist Popeye missile fired from SatanYahoo U-Boat off DC????

    That $2.3 trillion hole was actually $6+ trillion according to CIA Susan Lindauer in her book & seminars!!!.

    ++ they keep blowing new holes every months under pretext of Dragon rockets + other such junk made just to blow up after launch just to cash the $$$ billions. They blew one up yesterday:

    SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket explodes after liftoff

    SpaceX CRS 7 Launch explosion

    iT Supposedly blew up @ 44 Km up but probably less than half that!!!

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